both companies will also be arguing in the federal court in washington, d.c. tonight on whether apple should get a permanent injunction against samsung products. if you remember in august last year, a jury found the products to have infringed apple's patent. so not one but two battles being fought tonight. big day for both samsung electronics and apple. >> all right, thanks for that. nice to see you, rhee. we keep getting lawsuits, keep getting court cases. i don't know where it is taking us. >> if you really look at it, apple and samsung has had absolutely no material impact on the market position of either of these companies in the last 18 to, you know, 24 months. and majority of the battles in question are to do with maybe earlier versions of products from both these companies and there is no real material impact on the marketplace today. >> yeah, so it is not really -- it shows you how competitive the marketplace is. why don't they just keep going with it. they don't know what else to do. they're locked in a process and there we go. >> yeah, i think it is